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Post by Matt Moniz on Jun 11, 2006 11:31:09 GMT -5
Waverly Hills, is considered one of the top 5 haunted places in the world. I now see why. The size of the place and its history along with its location is a great recipe for paranormal activity. Staff Sgt Joe Gonski(ret) and I, spent over 10 hours in the place. We had the entire building to ourselves. The owner of the property and 2 to 3 of her workers were in the building with us, and stayed within ear and eyeshot at all times. I had a "shadow" of something walk into the room next to me within the first 15 min. of being in the building on the 5th floor. That is how the investigation started. No more than 5 min. after I saw my little "figure", Joe saw a "white figure" standing outside a window frame (no glass in any widows on the 5th floor) looking back at all of us. We covered every floor as best we could thru the night. The 5th,4th and 3rd floors, in my oppinion had the most action. I could see shadows move down the halls, that I am sure were not your regular "tricks of light" because as they passed infront of a light, the light would be blocked as is it would be if the object was solid. Shadows don't do that and can't do that. We would completely sweep or investigate an entire floor and confirm that the floor had nobody on it and move on to the floor below. Once on the floor below, above us we would hear "walking and crashing and crunching" on the floor above us. One of us would run up to the floor above and try to drive "whatever or whoever" was up there to the stairs at the end of the floor where the other was laying in wait to pounce on whatever came down the stairs. Nothing would come down those stairs and nothing or nobody would be found on that floor. The weather was a hot 85 deg. that night with zero wind, and I mean zero, because we were hot as anything and wished we had some. On the 3rd floor I saw a shadow go into a room at the end of the hall. I thought I had it trapped. There was only 1 way in or out of that room. The trifield emf detector I had with me started to go nuts when I entered the room. The owner of the building was standing right outside the rooms door as I entered it. 15 sec. after I entered the room, the temp. in the room dropped hard and fast and the emf detector went off scale. At that point, I felt a hand grab the back of my right arm and tug on it like a person would do when they want you to come with them. It was gental and did not squeeze hard but was a firm grip with 2 quick tugs. I looked a the owner and told her that I was being touched. She entered the room and felt the cold in the room and all the hairs on my body and hers stood up at the same time. The emf detector went back to zero and the room warmed up to the 85 deg. in a matter of seconds. It was not a cold breeze, as I said there was no wind and the temp. drop was well over 30 deg. change. The 4th floor O.R. was a strange place. I tracked a shadow down the hall on that floor into the O.R. and in that room a heavy odor of honeysuckle could be detected. That is not so strange in and of itself, being spring but there is no honeysuckle near the building and it was only in that 1 room. No other room had that odor and you should know that there is almost no glass any of the buildings windows it totally open to the air. That odor should be found in every room if it came from a nearby plant, but it was not. I called Joe in to do an evp test. As Joe entered the room the battery in his camcorder went from full to dead in second. We did our test using 2 dig. recorders and left the room. (we got an evp on 1 recoreder but not the other that was only a foot away) After Joe left the room his battery returned to its former level for a short time and died. We recharged it but it would not ,and will still not hold a full charge to this day.( sorry Joe, I owe you a battery) We found out after, from the owner that that room is famous for draining batteries. One group had 7 or so devices (ie-flashlight,detectors and cameras) all go dead at the "same time" and all the devices came back on after they left that room. That just does not happen every day. On the 3rd floor we found the spot that TAPS got something on thier thermal camera running across a hallway. I walked to that spot and looked in all the rooms in that area to ensure they were empty, and they were. There is nothing any any of the rooms or any place to hide anyone in there. The rooms are gutted and devoid of anything, just flat walls with nothing. In the video we tried to set up the same shot that we had seen. I can be seen in the nightvision camera walk back from the end of the hall after I totally searched each room. I am 100% sure that nobody was in any of the rooms. All of the people in the building are standing behind Joe and the camera or on the front porch of that floor. In short, I could easly see everyone that was with us, even the poeple on the porch, thru the open doors. I did not hear or see anyone behind me or did anyone else. In the review of that part of the tape, a "figure" can be seen behind me peeking out the room" I just left" and watch walk back down the hall. Waverly is one of the most active paranormal places I have been in, I would love to return someday with more equipment, time and people. That will have to wait, as that is a project that is alittle out of my financial means at the moment. (ghosthunting is not cheap if you want to do it right)It cost Joe and I about 400$ just to do what we did, 200$ alone just to get into the building for him and I, and the rest in supplies for the equipment, tapes, lights, food, gas and batteries and things like that. If you ever get the chance to go to Waverly Hills, do so. The history lesson of the place alone is worth the trip, nevermind the ghosts. If anyone else has some stories about thier trips there, I would love to hear them. As more people share what they know with others, the closer we all get to answers. I hope that what I have shared here with all of you has helped in some way.
Matt Moniz
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Post by lildebcc on Jun 11, 2006 19:29:30 GMT -5
Great story Matt, thanks for sharing. Sounds like the entire adventure was well worth the money! >^o.o^<
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Post by aneaglesangel on Jun 11, 2006 21:10:57 GMT -5
Yes, thanks for sharing! I'd love to check that place out! Seems like the owners are very open to the idea of letting it be investigated! It's so good of them! I love how they will open a medical center and dedicate the rest to the study of paranormal!! Too bad more property owners aren't as gracious!
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Post by karlsaves on Jul 22, 2006 12:53:04 GMT -5
on one of the older shows you said for the cost you would send out your report and a copy of the evidence. is that still on the table??now that it is a part of history. the first ghost caught on tape at the hills???[glow=red,2,300][/glow]
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Post by fritzy on Aug 7, 2006 17:59:40 GMT -5
Hi Matt. I was wondering on the video that you captured of the figure at Waverly Hills; some people seem to think its a reflexion, but there were no windows in the hall. You stated on spookysouthcoast that while using a video camera perfectly still you passed a device in front of the lens to get infrared readings and imaging. Couldnt it be possible that by doing this you caused a reflection from one object to another and the video captured that reflection? I understand there were no windows in the hall, but the device should have been connected to the video camera, not held in front of it.
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Post by Matt Moniz on Aug 7, 2006 21:10:23 GMT -5
OK, I am beyond positive that it IS NOT and CAN NOT be a reflection of ANY type. There is NO glass in most of the whole building and if you look you'll see that the "object " extends BELOW and BLOCKS the window case frame. A reflection can only go as far as the reflective material. (by the way the window frame is still another 30 or 40 feet beyond that door frame and a reflection would be ALLOT smaller given the distance from the camera and a reflection would half to have 2 hands up to the head -1 to hold the camera and the other to hold up the night-vision to it) The "object" turns away from the camera and if it was a reflection of the cameraman the shot would also turn, and you can CLEARLY see that it does not. As for holding the night-vision device to the camera, you can't get a reflection onto the lens of the camera because the night-vision is putting out light (even if it is green) from the lens eyepiece, hence you can't get a reflection off of it. Thats just common sense not to mention basic physics. ( To get reflection off the eyepiece would require a light brighter than the light coming out of the night-vision to be behind the cameraman.... and all that was behind him was pitch black) The cameraman is a 20 year US ARMY vet. spending all of that time in the M1A1 and A2 tanks. He was an instructor for them in Ft. Knox for the last 6 years and has more time using night-vision than any of us could ever hope to have. He did the best with what we had at hand. The night-vision is just the simple first gen. monocular you buy at Wal-Mart and was the owners of Waverly who just let us use it. I don't think he did a bad job with what we had at hand. He assured me that it what is on the film is no reflection. I asked if he was sure and he said " In my line of work if your wrong your dead, ya I'm sure". I hope that ends anymore misconceptions about it being a reflection.
Matt M.
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Post by aneaglesangel on Aug 7, 2006 22:49:17 GMT -5
I'm wondering fritzy, did you see the stills that one of the members enhanced and put into a negative image? They are in the thread where the video is. Hopefully seeing the still image will help clear things up for you!! I was amazed at what the negative image and his enhanced editing did to bring out the very human shape of the apparition in the video!!
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Post by fritzy on Aug 11, 2006 19:30:06 GMT -5
Ok watched the threads several times, I dont mean to be a prick. I do see what could be an image, could be! Im not saying it is. Using thermal imaging did you take a temp reading of the room before taping? Plus it looks to me like the image moves when you focus the camera on you partner. And yes I know a thermal image night vision scope puts light out, It also picks up radiation background static which could be your relfexion.
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Post by Matt Moniz on Aug 12, 2006 9:45:26 GMT -5
OK Fritzy, last time I'm going to say this. IT IS NOT A REFLECTION OF ANY TYPE !!!!!!!!!! The video is done through NIGHT-VISION not thermal. Those are 2 TOTALLY different forms of optics. Night-vision amps up the light that is around in the area and gives you an image. Thermal is a means of registering HEAT that is given of by something and gives an image. As for the focus on my partner, well your wrong on a couple of things. First off it is ME that is in the video not Joe, second if it was a reflection it would show BOTH of us in it, not just one. Third the focus moves in the OPPOSITE dirction from what is seen and stays on the frame of the door and the "object" moves OUT OF FRAME. As for being a reflection in the eyepiece from the night vision into the camera, well if you still think that is possable, then your just like my 9 year old niece who thinks the MONA LISA is a paint buy number painting because she saw one in the store like that once. You NEED A GREATER LIGHT SOURCE BEHIND THE CAMERA to reflect off the eyepiece and there was NONE, not to mention that the eyepiece of the night-vision would have to be quite a few feet away from the lens of the camera, and in this case the eyepiece is HELD RIGHT TO THE CAMERA lens (no room for any reflection to happen in) as well as the cloths cameramans had on was not even close to what the image has on. The object extends well below the window frame there for not a reflection from window and it would have BOTH the cameraman with his 2 arms up to his head and the owner of Waverly standing right next to him as well as me in the shot (not to mention no glass in the window to reflect from and we all would be very small in that form of reflection given that the window is well over 50 or more feet away from everyone) You state that you know that "thermal image night vision scopes" and buy the way those are 2 different forms of optics not one, put out light is true for BOTH forms of devices but are wrong about picking other forms of radiation. In the case of night-vision ( what we used) night -vision can ONLY amp LIGHT and nothing else. Thermal on the other hand can pick up other forms of radiation(what we DIDN'T use) so the question about taking temp readings is moot point. I work with these forms of optics every day in the lab and know all thier little quirks that they have VERY well because its my job to do so. I can say BEYOND ALL DOUBT that ITS NOT ANY KIND OF REFECTION. I don't like berating people, but when I have to keep having to saying it over and over again I get mad. If you wish to go on beleaving that it is a reflection, then you may (you'll be wrong) but thats your right as a person. The rest of the people with a clue will move on and head toward the getting answers.
Matt
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Post by aneaglesangel on Aug 12, 2006 11:00:15 GMT -5
I personally had a hard time seeing it at first, but then when I did, it was like, WOW! I notice, don't know if you did, but there's also something strange about the appartion, right where eyes should be, I also noticed that it seems to go below where the glass would be. This made it impressive to me, I didn't know at the time, there is no glass in the building. That made it more impressive still!! Please try looking at the stills, I saw them later on, but they definitely help to get a better look at this apparition! I do believe you're looking at one in this clip, and well, what better place to catch an appartion, than a place full of them, LOL!? Good luck, hope you can see it better in the stills!
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Post by Tim Weisberg on Aug 12, 2006 12:56:53 GMT -5
Does anyone else sense some hostility with the Professor here?
Matt, ya gotta take it easy on the listeners! We need them to buy the t-shirts, LOL!
Seriously, though, I'm working on getting the DVDs ready so that should help. If someone would like the file sooner, email me tim@spookysouthcoast.com and I'll just email it to you.
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Post by Tim Weisberg on Aug 12, 2006 13:01:57 GMT -5
If you go to the Waverly thread under "Share Your Evidence," you can see another version of the film as well as digital stills....
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Post by Matt Moniz on Aug 12, 2006 13:15:35 GMT -5
Sorry Tim, I just get feed up with people that just don't get it, no matter how many times I say it. I know what I'm talking about when I say something and if I don't, then I'll listen to those that do. In this case I do know what I'm talking about and in the PIT here, you best know too if your going to challenge me. I will be easy going on those that do have a desire to know an answer, but if you come in here and think you know better then me you better be able to prove it. I would not try to offend anyone but if your a dumbass(or mental candy) and wanna prove it, I will tare you to pieces . On the air I'l be nice, but in here is my house. I'll try to tone it down a notch for you bro.
Matt
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Post by fritzy on Aug 12, 2006 14:50:28 GMT -5
My god you scientist are so tempermental. This is suppossed to be fun. (Laughing). What you can't be questioned? Do questions bother you? If so you should not be investigating things you dont understand. As far as the show Tim its Great! You bring awareness to people, and you try not to make it anal. Which is a good thing in todays world. Matt if you saw it, you saw it. In the end your the only one who is going to know the truth of it anyway. So dont get so angry. I see it also after looking at the stills. Its there;what it is I dont know. Then again its been broadcasted over the radio and on the internet so long now that I just may be wanting to see it. This can happen also in investigations. Proof of it is in a book by Troy Taylor. Scientific Enviornment where some paranormal researchers created thier own entity. Experiment was in Canada. Run by Dr.A.R.G Owen known as the Phillip experiments date 1972. Can be found on pg 67-68 of his Ghost Hunters Guide book. Check it out!! If this can happen in a controlled group, then it can happen during any investigation subconsciously by the investigator or the investigators.
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Post by aneaglesangel on Aug 12, 2006 16:05:57 GMT -5
Yes I've also read about that, it's called spontaneous manifestation! From what I've seen of Waverly Hills, I reeeeaaally don't think you have to spontaneously manifest anything, LOL, there's plenty of apparitions and spirits kicking around in that place on its own!!!
Now yes, I do believe sometimes it is possible for a person/persons to spontaneously manifest activity, but I just don't see this as one of those times. I like to look at alot of pics, this is one of the better ones I've seen so far! I guess the only way to really do anything towards proving there are apparitions in Waverly is to take another trip out there! You game, Matt??
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