THE DEMON EPISODE

[leester]

I love SSC, it's superb but, I'm sorry to have to say this-the episode about the 'Demon Hunter' was one of the saddest things I have ever heard in my life . A grown man actually believes he is 'battling demons ' . I listened with stunned incredulity as that man reeled off utter unmitigated crap which is baseless in science and reality.Not only does he believe that 'Demons' exist but that they have various powers etc and that he is having battles with them ! He says they feed of energy ...what energy is this then? What is it made of ? Where is this 'realm ' they live in ...where is the SCIENTIFIC FACT? He actually believes that these mysterious entities can appear in human or other form and can be contacted or battled using 'old magic' ! Dear me.
What disappointed me most was that Matt Moniz-a man of scientific background, a man whom up until now I had respect for, said that he himself had battled a Demon.I found that just beyond any form of sanity.
As for the guest on said episode I have nothing personal against him but I would seriously suggest he seek psychiatric help.I'm sad to say Spooky South Coast has lost all credibility for me. It was utter baseless,childish drivel .

[aneaglesangel]

I have to disagree with you, and if people discount demons, they put themselves at risk. I am the victim of demon attacks that occurred for over 22 years. They started when I was a child, and continued into adulthood. Two live-in boyfriends, who had no idea what was going on, since it was my secret, were attacked, my two children were awakened during the night by shaking bed episodes. Yes, my dear, there are demons. Recently, I've had some new episodes and have evidence to release, and in hearing things like "As for the guest on said episode I have nothing personal against him but I would seriously suggest he seek psychiatric help." make it harder for people who are undergoing these events to come forward with their evidence. Maybe you want to say that I'm crazy too, but when I began to research this stuff to get to the bottom of my problem, I had a psychiatric evaluation. I fully intend to go forward once again and submit myself to psych testing if need be to prove my new evidence. But these kind of statements make it hard for even me, who is so easy going about sharing my evidence, leery of sharing it.

There are ghosts, aware and unaware, there are inhuman spirits, funny people don't have as hard of a time saying those, but as soon as you say demon, people tend to raise their eyebrows and twirl a finger near their ears. Why is it so hard to believe that there are things outside this world that are more powerful than the puny humans who reside on planet Earth, or that there are places that we can only reach if we can learn to travel between the veils, other dimensions? Science does NOT have all the answers yet, and we must accept that. And we must also not discount that demons exist. They are here every day with us whether we choose to accept it or not, and hell if you don't, it just makes it that much easier for them.

People like Keith and Sandra Johnson and Ed and Lorraine Warren dedicated their lives to the study and eradication of these plagues upon humanity, would you call them so wrong? I intend to dedicate myself to helping people with these beings, and to fight them in any way I can. Am I so wrong?? If you think demons are just a figment of our imaginations, then watch for a new story coming from me, with pictures of just what a demon can do, and you be the judge!!!

[leester]

Whilst I agree that ghosts may exist as some form of as yet misunderstood scientific phenomenon and perhaps 'Demons' may fall into the same category , I say again that any sane person cannot believe that these things are from some other realm ! These 'Demon Hunters' have decided on their own rules for this mysterious realm.They have INVENTED their own versions of some sort of hierarchy for Demons ! I have seen the Warrens on television recently over here and they seemed to me like two sad old deluded people , hey ! it beats playing bingo!-I am not being disrespectful here,that is just my honest opinion.They have decided on what gives re 'Demons' , they tell people what to believe and suckers with no mind of their own believe it.
Demon hunting is a HOBBY similar to Dungeons and Dragons enactment. Whilst these fantasies are great on the pages of a work of fiction on a stormy night it beggars belief that any sane person could believe them to be real . It simply beggars belief.
Sadly in groups like this one sceptics are treated as the insane one . No critical thinking is encouraged .Why not try to find a sensible rational reason for the things that have happened to you? I don't doubt that you believe it to be very real . If it were me I would think it some sort of manifestation of a brain disturbance or something caused by freak frequency oscillations maybe.The mind is extremely powerful and can cause physical symptoms.
The thought of adults gathered in a room to battle a 'Demon' is HILARIOUS ! I am not saying that these things are DEFINITELY NOT from another realm . I'm saying that it is EXTREMELY , EXTREMELY unlikely ! So unlikely it has to be dismissed by any sane person. Demons do not exist as an evil force from another realm.If they do exist it is some weird freak of NATURE and entirely one day explainable with science.
I have enjoyed Spooky South Coast up until now because it has been nice light entertainment and looked at reports of 'ghosts' , which again, I believe are just a freak of nature.Also I enjoy listening to Tim . It's a well presented show.
I have nothing against you personally Luanne (spelling ?) I have heard you on the show and you seem a lovely lady.I hope we can discuss and disagree . ;D

[aneaglesangel]

I always look for reasonable explanations. For over 20 years I've searched for reasonable explanations. I have had tests, I've seen doctors, I've had mri's of my brain. I not only went to see a counselor, I found one who was an M.D. and had a PhD in psychology. It took a few weeks to tell the whole story to him. When I finally finished, I looked at him, expecting him to give me a reasonable explanation for all those years of fear. He looked at me and said simply, "You're amazining!" Even I was shocked! I'd spent years looking for answers, submitted myself to numerous useless tests and this person of science could not give me a reasonable explanation, no matter how hard I'd hoped that he could!

The only freaks of nature there are, are created by man. We create the toys that destroy our ozone layer, and deplete our fresh water. There is so much out there in this universe that we, as people, do not understand, or can not know about, do you really think you can know it all, even on the unseen level? If you read my recent story, which I forced myself to post in light of your remarks here, you'll see that I'm comfortable with those who don't want to call these things 'demons' but even if you call them inhuman spirits, or call them late to dinner, they are still spirits of darkness who wreak havoc in our world. Who knows, they may be a product of the big bang for all we know, but they've been here much longer than humans, and will probably still be here when we've gone. If we think we can understand them, or if we think we know all there is to know about science, that's when you're talking crazy. There's more to science and this universe than we can see with our mortal eyes.

I have never been religious, I was raised by a person who had a PhD in psychology who was an atheist, and an electrical engineer, who may as well have been an atheist. In my environment, I was not raised to think of God, or to think demons could enter our existence and cause us problems. But that didn't stop it from happening to me when I was a child, and continuing on into adulthood. Our belief system does nothing to change things, they still exist, and I know it's a hard thing to believe, but they do. You also say a ghost is a freak of nature, but then, is it so hard to believe you have a soul inside you right now, waiting to be let free on the day of your death?

I have to believe the things I believe. I have lived my life. I remember a past life memory, I have seen the light of God while lying in a coma in a hospital bed, I've known the fear of physical attacks by an inhuman spirit, and I've felt the wonder when a lady ghost dressed in a sapphire blue dress appeared before me in a historic home close by to me. I have looked at scientific studies of the paranormal, I've read books on sleep paralysis and seizures. Still I can not find the reasonable explanations to explain these events away. The only thing I've learned is that I have a soul, that it will live on after I die and that not all spirits are human. I do wish I could tell you demons/inhumans do not exist, but I can't. Everything I've learned and experienced only points to them really being there, really existing. Believe me, I'd much rather be able to say that it's not true, that these things do not exist, that a little girl in long ago, faraway Acushnet was not attacked in her bed by an inhuman spirit, but I can't, I can not find that reasonable explanation that would set my mind at ease.

I will never be able to convince you that these things exist. This could be the never-ending debate we have here. But until you experience something of this nature on your own, it's easy to discount us, the ones who have experienced these episodes, and you will never believe, and most don't WANT to believe. It's all just fiction and fairy tales to you. As much as I want you to believe, I know the nature of these entities and I could never wish one on my worst enemy. All I can hope for is that science catches up to the paranormal before you make that great leap that brings you to what we really are deep, down inside, and that's spirit, soul, a consciousness without a body. A ghost, but a human one. Maybe while you're in that realm, you'll be lucky enough to get a glimpse of that huge unknown thing, our Universe, and all the strange, wondrous, and dangerous things that exist out there. I hope it doesn't take that much of an extreme to convince you, but sometimes, I guess it is!!

[mmecurie68]

Leester, you have every right to your opinion, but I will have to disagree with you and defend people whom I have come to call my friends.

People who have never encountered the demonic find it very easy to shoot down those of us who have.

I am a scientist. I am a chemist and QA manager for a drug company in my current employ. I am also a licensed Emergency Medical Technician.
I'm as pretty well grounded a person in hard physical sciences as a person can be - AND I BELIEVE IN THE DEMONIC. Why? Because I know, like I know my own name, that I encountered a demonic entity myself as a teenager.

I watched my boyfriend get thrown 4 feet across a room off of a chair when I was sixteen years old. The same entity scared the crap out of my sister such that she literally did not sleep for a month and terrified me by its' whirlwind maelstrom of energy passing through me. How did it happen? We had been fooling around with a Ouija board for some length of time and the activity got more and more "alluring" until this terrifying crescendo.

Matt Moniz IS a man of science. He and I happen to be employed at the same company where I work as well - I can vouch for his credentials firsthand. If you think he is lying, you're dead wrong. Matt doesn't lie. He's not that kind of person. To impugn someone's livelihood, character and honor because you happen to disagree with the person is reprehensible to me.

[spookywife]

I am a die hard skeptic - that's been a well established fact. But I have 2 things to say about this particular topic. First - if you believe in any sort of religion based at all in Christianity then it is safe to say that you on some level believe in "Satan" - a demon. Secondly - the last time I checked Spooky South Coast was a forum via the radio for all different types of "paranormal" and "spooky" beliefs, investigations, etc. If Spooky South Coast doesn't ever address the more bizarre, less popular, and generally weird aspects of the whole blanket group they haven't done their service to the listeners. I personally believe that most psychics are not really psychic - that doesn't mean that it has no place on the show. If we all believed in the same exact things and had the same exact opinions, things would get very, very boring.

[leester]

Well, it seems someone has taken my comments personally.My comments were not aimed at anyone as a personal attack. I am not saying that Matt or anyone else is a liar just that they are VERY mistaken. I was very disappointed that a man of Matt Moniz's high intellect could believe such drivel.I believe that what he says happened did happen , just that it wasn't a 'Demon'. I also agree that SSC should discuss all subjects but was disappointed that the crew seemed too ready to believe the claims being made. By the way, you do realise that the Ouija board is in fact a toy marketed by a games comapny? Anyhoo, lets agree to disagree -we live in the free world !

[aneaglesangel]

Open mind....insert knowledge........

A few hundred years ago they thought the earth was flat, imagine that!!!

Science will catch up with us someday......

An innocent 'toy' can choke a tiny baby.......

A mind is a terrible thing to waste!

Disappointed?? You be disappointed.....I'm excited....the world isn't flat!!

You call it drivel all you want, someday there will be science that can explain to us what these events are. Maybe you don't want to believe in demons. That's your choice. Just don't be dogging on my homies!!! You can have your opinion, as close minded and belittled as it is. My partner mmecurie is a woman of science, and a good one at that! I trust her judgement, and I trust her memory. Matt Moniz is a man of science, he's done more research on this subject than you could ever wish for! I also trust his judgement, and if he says a demon threw him, I can say I believe him, too! Maybe you want to live in the Middle Ages, and believe the world is flat, but the rest of us are moving on into the future where new concepts are being brought into the light, by people of science, all over this world. Science WILL catch up with us, and then maybe someday, you'll catch up with the rest of us. I'm sorry, but now I'm offended! We were nice, told you that you could have your opinion, gently offered you our own experiences, but still you make rude comments about people that I know, love, and have worked professionally out in the field with, and that's not right!

I think the Spooky crew has always been very fair, airing guests with differing opinions from their own. I think you could learn a valuable lesson from their behavior!! Just because you believe differently from someone else, doesn't make you right or make the others wrong. And you don't have to insult them to make your own point. If the world were really flat, or the Earth was the center of the universe, then you might have some insulting to do. Until you have more credentials than my friend, Matt or my partner mmecurie, or more experience in the field, or some solid evidence to prove to me that these demons do not exist, then we'll have a talk. At this point, I have more evidence proving their existence, then your insults to Matt or mme have proven that they don't exist.

To you this is all good fun, listen to a ghost story on the radio. To us, this is serious work, this is science, this is our passion and we strive to do our jobs well. To you this is entertainment, to us it's our lives. So until you can claim as much experience as Matt Moniz or even myself can out in the field, or have experienced this phenomena, you really have no right to be dogging on my homies. You can say it if you like, but by calling our ideas 'drivel' or a oiuja board a 'toy' you've insulted good people here, and that's not right!

I personally don't believe in shadow people. I think they are just different types of ghosts that are called shadow people. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right, but so far, I've never insulted anyone who believes in them. Even though I don't believe I consider them and I read accounts of them. I theorize and wonder about them. But I keep an open mind, for you never know, in this field, we learn something new regularly, and there is a chance that these things exist. When dealing with the unknown, you must first give it a chance to become known, before you bag it! So by having an open mind, I may learn something important in the end.

So why don't you try opening your mind?? You never know, you might just learn something!!

[leester]

Ah right, I wondered when you would attack me personally.Seems I was wrong about you being a nice person.You are one of those people that seeks to be offended .I was never rude and I defy to show me where I was.Far from being closed minded I like to use critical thinking.I have my own credentials that I won't bore you with here.I'm sorry it upsets you that I don't agree with you.You are seriously telling me that fighting Demons and stuff is your LIFE? Really? And you say I should open my mind ! I find it highly unlikely that I would learn anything from YOU .
O.k, this is obviously not a place for skeptics or sane people.This one of those groups that attacks anybody that is sane or simply skeptic.Science will catch up with you one day ? How unbelievably arrogant of you.I find that an astonishing statement.
''dogging on my homies''....I rest my case.
Thanks for the show anyway Tim and the 2 Matts it's really good and I will continue to listen in the future I'm sure you won't deny me the right to disagree with you sometimes. I won't return to this message board as I don't want to ruin it for you all.
Cheers

[aneaglesangel]

Attack you personally?? Believe me hon, don't let my sweet exterior fool you, if I'd personally attacked you, you'd leave here....well, let's just leave that for now......

The only people I see being attacked are mmecurie, and Matt Moniz, and well myself, being a person who was attacked by a demon repeatedly, I guess I fall into your category of people who need psychiatric help, wouldn't I? I really wish I could agree with you, I'd love to have a diagnosis that would enable me to take a pill and these episodes would just end. Unfortunately, that's not the case. If you choose to believe inhuman negative spirits exist, that's your opinion and you're welcome to it. As long as you don't slander friends of mine doing it, go for it. There are too many highly credible people in this field who believe in negative inhuman spirits and/or demons that MY panties sure don't get into a bunch over it. If your panties are up in a bunch over the opinions of others, well, maybe you need a hobby? Or maybe alot of this response comes from fear, most do fear the unknown. It takes brave, dedicated people like Matt Moniz, mmecurie, Keith and Sandra Johnson, and many others, including myself, who face our fears and look to the unknown, hoping that one day, we will understand more, and then it won't be so unknown anymore!

So good luck to you, when you've got some solid evidence for me, let me know! I'll keep gathering my evidence to the contrary and enjoying the friendship and knowledge of my good friends, mmecurie and Matt Moniz, and hell, the whole Spooky Crew and all the great members here, whom I've grown to know and love!!

[sshevie]

Leester i dont get people like you, You seem to enjoy just raising hell for no reason and attacking people that have a different view than yours. And no its not a bad statement for someone to say that science has to catch up, Its only been a few years since Black Holes have been proven by science but yet ive heared about them all our lives.
Think about other things that were written in 10,000 leagues under the sea and were finnaly proven by science.
You have to understand that people have things happen to them that you cant explain with anything but "your crazy"
Any way leester im glad you have chosen to leave this board since it truly seems you just want to troll and get attention.
My suggestion is that you move out of your moms basement stop sucking on her tit and actually take a look at the world and all the things it has to offer insted of sitting there closed minded and miserable.

[unicorn]

there is good & evil in every aspect of the world ................DEMONS included!

[Matt Moniz]

I feel compelled to comment here. Leester has the right to disagree with any point of view he wishes. He is a freeborn human (I assume) who has his own thoughts and feelings on topics that are based on what was input into him during his developmental years as a small boy. Sometimes the dogma we a forced to ingest from those formative years stays with us on into adulthood and shapes our view of the world. This can be good in some cases, like the caring that some give to those that are less fortunate and it can also be a very horrific thing as well. This is seen when you have people fly planes into buildings and strap bombs to themselves and blow up themselves in a market filled with kids and their mothers, all in the name of a belief. (Remember any belief or non-belief for that matter, can never be truly proven) If Leester chooses not to think that “Demons” are real, so be it. So kindly give him some slack ladies. That is his right as a human, and he is most likely stating the dogma that was drilled into his head from years past, and not based on any real and actual firsthand research into the topic. The reason I say that, is I was just like him, that was until I was picked a foot off the floor and hurled 5 feet thru the air at 35mph into a wall. Something of that nature kinda changes your views. (In a goddamn hurry) Whatever these things are, the name demon, is just the label of what they are, and nothing more. I only use the name as a descriptor, not as a religious identity of them. Oh and by the way Leester, should you still not think I hold any scientific credibility, think again. For you say that “they” do not dwell in our realm, or outside it, then how do you know what they are made of. Can you say for sure that “they” are not made of sub-atomic particials like phions, muones and mesons or quarks for that matter,(or anti-matter ..lol) whose atomic states are just outside our realm, but only interact with this realm when a “force” acts on them. In short people, we are all learning and we each take a different part and path toward the greater understanding, and as long as we learn with each step, then we have not wasted our time or anyone else’s. Think less of me if you wish Leester as it is your right, but remember, I will still hold out hope for your growth.

Matt Moniz

[aneaglesangel]

Matt that was very well put! This was a discussion, until myself and others disagreed with you, leester. I admitted that many have a hard time calling them 'demons' and that some prefer to call them inhumans. I guess I did get upset when you called the source of a very bad experience mme experienced, a 'toy', or said that what Matt Moniz had said was 'drivel' is what actually got anyone upset here. You CAN voice your opinion here, you did, I did, mme did. But when people disagree with you, really it's still not right to call that a personal attack. I have reason to believe in inhumans, so do many other sane people. All I was saying was not to discount what you have not seen for yourself, but to be a bit more open, and I was also saying, please don't insult my friends. Maybe noone took it that way, but that's pretty much what I was saying, but I was also disagreeing with you. I'm sorry that I disagree, if I could, I'd take back all those negative experiences I had. I can't do that, so I have to remain firm in my belief. But that's all it is, my belief.

I don't mind being disagreed with, it won't be the first time, won't be the last. I don't think anyone should get their panties up in a bunch, or insult anyone else for having beliefs. I'm very open, ask my partner, I have my own faith, but I love to hear others' beliefs, and why they believe them, we discuss it on the hunt all the time. I'll sit and have a drink or a coffee with ya and discuss any topic openly, as long as you're not hurting a friend of mine, you're entitled to believe whatever you want, I live in a free country, I'm used to being able to voice my opinions. I'm also very open to hearing the opinions of others, sometimes it makes me think, sometimes it helps me to learn valuable things, but either way, I think it's important to remain open when it comes to the paranormal, for every day, we learn something new, and maybe tomorrow, they'll have answers to tell we, the people, who have withstood experiences that were negative or inhuman in nature. In the end, it doesn't matter if we're right or wrong, it's how we learned the lesson, and what we gained from it.

So all I can say, is I'm offering a truce. We can all talk here, we can all disagree, or agree as we see fit. We can talk, discussing all things that cross our minds. Let's just take it easy on other members here, and be nice to each other, show respect, and learn something every day.......that's what this place was put here for!! Not to hurt each other, or to get angry if we disagree! We're here to make friends and share the wonderful discoveries that are made every day in this field, and hopefully have a great time while we're doing it! So let's shake hands, have a drink or coffee together and get spooky, after all, that's really what we're here for!!!

Hear! Hear!! Matt, now I owe ya two drinks!!!

[mmecurie68]

Same here Leester. I am not about stifling free speech and open debate. We definitely disagree, but I mean no ill will towards you. I felt like I had to say something in support of Matt, given what I interpreted to be some negative comments and share one of my personal experiences, pointing to why I hold the beliefs that I do.

I choose to call negative inhuman entities/energies, whatever, demonic and it does relate to personal faith in my case.

From a hard science aspect, I definitely believe in positive energy and negative energy. Quantum physics has already demonstrated that energy can be both positive and negative and that it has dimensionality.

Pax vobiscum.